[Michael Milligan]

This is the title sequence for my new project. If anyone has ideas for content please let me know!

[Enchantra]

OK, perhaps I'm not grasping something here and of course my computer doesn't have sound so I'm missing that aspect anyways, but what does the Soviet hammer and Sickle have to do with bonsai?

[Michael Milligan]

Enchantra, on 06 November 2009 - 07:30 PM, said:

OK, perhaps I'm not grasping something here and of course my computer doesn't have sound so I'm missing that aspect anyways, but what does the Soviet hammer and Sickle have to do with bonsai?

The subject matter of the show is going to be very wide reaching.

Tell me Enchantra, do you think for a moment that politics and art have never collided before? Economics and wider political ideas, art and concepts of creativity, many things have effected the history of our world and our art. In American AND in the Soviet Union.. and here in Canada. That being said, I certainly anticipated a particular reaction from my neighbours to the south. Ultimately these films are not going to find an audience with those unable to get past the benign imagery. Again, anticipated and accepted.


Michael

[Enchantra]

Michael Milligan, on 06 November 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

The subject matter of the show is going to be very wide reaching.

Tell me Enchantra, do you think for a moment that politics and art have never collided before? Economics and wider political ideas, art and concepts of creativity, many things have effected the history of our world and our art. In American AND in the Soviet Union.. and here in Canada. That being said, I certainly anticipated a particular reaction from my neighbours to the south. Ultimately these films are not going to find an audience with those unable to get past the benign imagery. Again, anticipated and accepted.

I never thought there was anything wrong with the imagery. I'd actually like to know where you found that picture, I like the rock formation in it. Art and Politics collide all the time. The two have collided since Ancient times, certainly won't end anytime soon. DaVinci was told to cover the Nudity of the figures he painted in the Cistine Chapel, Michelangelo was asked to cover the nudity of his statue of David as the Catholic Church reigned supreme in politics of that time. Now Society battles over if the nude figure can be considered art or not. Frankly you could have put just about any political imagery in there and I wouldn't have a problem with it. You could have posted a pentagram instead or even the image of a gun and quite frankly it wouldn't bother me. It's your video, you have a right to put into it what you wish. More than anything I'm just trying to understand your thought pattern here. I'm sure it would have helped if I had sound on my computer and could have heard the music or narration that might have been with it.

Would I watch the video? Certainly. It seems well thought out so far and you've put some effort into it. An old political symbol from the non-existent USSR isn't going to keep me from viewing it. The only symbol that someone could use that would bother me would be a swastika. Anything else I don't have a problem with.

[Redwing]

Enchantra, on 06 November 2009 - 09:12 PM, said:

DaVinci was told to cover the Nudity of the figures he painted in the Cistine Chapel

Uh...didn't Michelangelo paint the figures on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? But fair enough, they did upset folk at the time.

-rw

[Accrajucar]

This is humor, right?

I think you should add bonsai labor camps, for trees that don't want to be bent into the shape you wish them to be.

[jkl]

It certainly does seem an odd juxtaposition of an ancient (or at least old) Chinese/Japanese art, a mostly failed political philosophy, and what sounds like a Bach fugue. I think your viewers will have to strain to get any kind of a coherent message out of it.

And since you are asking US for "ideas for content" you must feel somewhat the same way.

(Bonsai, by the way, has never been what you'd call a "people's art.")

[Michael Milligan]

"It certainly does seem an odd juxtaposition ancient".

Certainly. I intend plenty of humor. The earlier cuts of this video contained a painting of a spaniel in a Che beret! Perhaps I'll cut it back in. The music was just something I like. Bach, yes! Good on you. But it is Glen Gould playing the Goldberg variations. Youtube blocked in germany because I ripped the music off.

My target audience are people who like to talk about social and political theory. In front of the Marx picture are the words "form" and "structure". We all know what these terms mean vis-a-vis bonsai, but readers here who have familiarity with social sciences can confirm that the concepts of "form" and "structure" are very much at the heart of great deal of scholarship. See... the juxtaposition of these ideas of form and structure are ripe with analogy and metaphor.

I don't intend to push politics on bonsai people. I intend to push bonsai at politically motivated people! :):)

"(Bonsai, by the way, has never been what you'd call a "people's art.")"

Perhaps, But I'm no aristocrat. None of the people in my club are. If this forum is full of aristocracy then it is a small wonder why my video catches this type of attention! j/k

[lennard]

Michael Milligan, on 08 November 2009 - 03:39 AM, said:

I don't intend to push politics on bonsai people. I intend to push bonsai at politically motivated people!

But I'm no aristocrat.

Sorry that your first "ideology" of bonsai did not fulfill your expectations.

"Aristocrats to be" (like an ideology to push bonsai at politically motivated people..... to achieve what!!!!!!!) imagine the ideology and the "people" (like me) pay the prize.

Ideology(politics and bla, bla bla................) is no fun when youare living it. It takes hard work to correct the mistakes of the past. (Showing your "talent" in pasting a few clips in a video form belongs in a talent competition like Canada got talent?.) And yes, you will see it does not take talent to get negative responses by uttering preconceived hidden name calling.

Bonsai free me from the above whatever.

Because Im a peace loving kind of guy I will not reply in a negative way:hug:

Welcome back to the forum.

Lennard

Edited: PS- If its "People" that disfigure nature by painting ugly symbols on rocks Im not part of those people.

[ADZ]

i'd be more interested if there was less non-bonsai and more bonsai related material

Great to see a fellow west-coast canuck on the board.

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